romney's aids, that people that really invented the counter- terrorism program that we have been using since 9/11. yes stephen bradbury, one of the -- >> and used to be an official with blackwater? but see what from the cia to the state department to blackwater. he invented targeted killing, invented tortured -- i mean, he is the architect of our entire counter-terrorism, call for black. yet tim flanagan, one of the architects of the torture program. you you look at people close to romney and what he said, he thinks we should bring back torture, it is clear, if anything, he will be worse than obama. we do not have a great choice on these issues at the top of the ticket in november. >> speaking at romney, we are in michigan. actually, speaking of blackwater, not far from where the prince family is, although erik prince left the country.